Scams

Gunads is all to aware of the dangers of scams and no one like to be the victim of a scammer!

We want to ensure that you have the best possible understanding of how to safely buy and sell Air Rifles so as well as our own guide, we’ve also added the findings of other popular sites that also sell 2nd hand air rifles.

It’s a long read but it’ll be worth it ūüėČ

 

Scam warnings when Selling or Buying Second Hand Guns and New Guns and Accessories

They say they have a buyer РThere is a scam in place where people call you up and say that they have a few local people wanting what you have advertised. For them to sell the item you have advertised they will ask you for about £80 (this varies from company to company). You will never hear anything back from them and will have lost your money. They are very convincing and will often tell you that they will have it sold within a few days. Some will also offer a full refund when they sell, explaining that they make their money from the buyer taking out a credit agreement with them.

Paying by Cheque – In an older scam, a potential buyer will ask you if you will accept a cheque drawn on a UK bank. The cheque will be for more than the item you are selling, so they will ask you to wait until it clears, then transfer the balance into their account. About 3 days after the cheque has cleared, the bank will inform you that it is a fake cheque and withdraw the money. You will then be out of pocket the amount you transferred to them and if they arrange to collect the item then you will also have lost that.

Paying by Moneygram – There is a scam where the seller places something on the site at a very cheap price, then asks you to pay by moneygram, they will tell you that they will have the goods sent to you for a 5 day inspection.

Paying by Paypal – If you are asked to pay by Paypal, and they ask you to make it a gift, then you are not covered by any Paypal guarantee. You need to check up with Paypal to see what guarantees they have for purchases, don`t just assume you are covered.

Reduce your risk – There are some things you can do to reduce the risk of being scammed. A few of simple things are.
Check that you have a landline number for a seller / buyer and that you can get through to them on the number they give.
Ensure that everything is in writing so that they can`t say you agreed something when you didn`t.
If you suspect that something may be wrong, then please let us know and we will try and look into it for you.
If something is too good to be true, then there is a good chance it is too good to be true (Except for the exceptional value of adverts on Gunseekers!!!, which is genuine, and I am sure that all our advertisers will confirm this).
View the latest scam warnings from the police http://www.met.police.uk/

Exclamation Common sense in distance selling

Easy way to lose your money:

1. You are essentially giving that sum of money to a bloke in the pub who you’ve never met, who lives many miles away, and is promising to go home and send you an item some days later. You’d laugh at this concept, but you do it on here simply because the person has joined an internet site and claims to be a shooter. errrrrrrrrr hellooooooooo

2. If you do this and the person asks you to pay via paypal as a gift, he is pretty much asking you to waive any right or redress to save a couple of quid. Errr helloooooooooooooo

3. The police won’t help. It will come down to a civil claim, and the best you’ll get is a fiver a week which will stop coming after a few weeks and your back in court, or you’ll just give up. Your “mates” on here won’t go and break his legs despite lots of offers.

4. Don’t rely on the mods. We are not Judge Dredd, all we can do is ban the scrote, but he’ll probably come back to take another lame beast from the herd

Solution: Don’t send your hard earned cash to somebody hundreds of miles away who can’t be verified by a trusted member. It’s a simple gamble, I’d prefer to wait for the item to come on sale closer


Posting rules

If the item goes missing in the post, you have a problem unless you have insured it for the full value. If you have to gamble then it’s not much of a bargain is it? The law says proof of postage is not proof of delivery, but for a private deal this offers little protection. You¬†MUST clarify the delivery terms¬†– is the deal concluded when the item is posted or when it arrives?. This then identifies who takes the risk. Personally, if I sell something on here, my sense of honour means I take responsibility until it is delivered and as such post insured, building this into the price. However in some cases the BUYER could ask “I’ll have it, knock ¬£20 off and post uninsured” <<His problem>> or the seller could offer “OK I’ll knock ¬£20 off and post uninsured at your risk <<Buyers probem>>” Make sure the terms are agreed, that way if both parties are honest there is no unpleasantness afterwards

Honorable misunderstandings

If the seller mis-describes the goods he is liable for all costs and a return of the purchase fee, that is common sense, and there is no negotiation on here over that. However, where there is a genuine and equal misunderstanding it is fair that the out of pocket costs are borne equally and the item returned with no bad feeling

From Ackley, based on experience on modding car forums

Ok I thought I would post a few dos and donts of buying and selling parts between private indivuals as of late there has been a number of people not getting what they have paid for

SELLER
1.make sure you send any parts you sell recorded delivery with a track and trace number,its worth the little extra cost
2.make sure you insure the item for the amount you have sold it for and if it gets lost or damaged YOU are liable to refund your buyer,insist on this and if the buyer refuses to pay the extra get it in an e mail stating this,you can then get a proof of post cetificate to proove YOU have sent the goods,which WILL cover your ass
3.make sure you send the goods within a reasonable time scale
4.keep in touch with your buyer incase anything crops up which may delay you sending the goods,
5.make sure any item is well packed and protected against damage as courier companies will do anything to get out of paying a claim

BUYER
1.insist on a track and trace service
2.insist and pay the extra insurance
3.get a home address of the person selling the goods
4.keep a record of payment
5.make sure you both keep in conatct
6.if your too tight to pay for the extra insurance insist on a prof of post certificate
7.ask when you can expect the goods and ask to be informed when they are sent

BEWARE SOME BUYERS SAY THEY HAVE NOT RECIEVED THE GOODS AND THEN TRY TO CLIAM A REFUND THIS IS WHY YOU MUST ALWAYS SEND ANYTHING NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE RECORDED AND BE ABLE TO TRACK AND TRACE IT

Follow these simple rules of buying and selling and then we wont have to read all the silly name and shame posts,and then theres no excuses

Fraud Warning

Occasionally, members are banned for trading irregularities. Some of them sneak back onto the BBS using a different user name, Internet Service Provider and email address.

To make it easier for the mods to spot them, we introduced a rule that all members who wish to use the sales and wanted sections MUST give their nearest (postal) town in their user profile.

If you see an advert that does not show a postal town at the top right of the screen, please feel free to either place a post on the thread to remind the thread starter to fill in their user profile (this will NOT be deemed as ‘interfering’ with a sales thread) or PM a mod with the details. Members who refuse to comply with this rule will either lose access to the sales areas or be banned.

When responding to an advert, check that the town given in the shipping address is the same as the town given in the seller’s user profile. If it is not, you are strongly advised not to progress with the transaction and to PM me with details.

Scam Advice

How to avoid online scams

General Advice

Whether you’re buying or selling on gunstar, please always remain aware and avoid any deal / offer that looks suspicious. We strive to prevent scammers operating on the site, however we cannot be held responsible for the accuracy or legitimacy of any Ad, or the validity of any buyer.

gunstar does not tolerate scammers and will instantly revoke access from the gunstar site. gunstar also has a number of automated tools that identify and remove scammers and stops re-registration. If you believe you have been contacted by a scammer, please email

info@gunstar.co.uk

Classified Ads Scams

There are several different scams to watch out for but all are basically to do with overpayment for your goods. In a classified advertisement scam, a scammer responds to an advertisement for anything: a gun, a gun cage, equipment … anything that is being advertised at a reasonably high price.

Scam 1 – “Overseas Buyers…”

The scammer will express an interest in buying the item that is for sale. However, the scammer tells the vendor that he lives abroad, and that he would like to send the vendor a cheque to cover the cost of the item, plus an additional amount to cover the cost of shipping the item overseas.

If the vendor agrees to this, the scammer sends them a cheque or a banker’s draft for the total amount. The vendor pays the cheque or draft into their bank account, and the bank clears it immediately, making the funds available in the vendor’s bank account.

The scammer then asks the vendor to get in touch with the shipping agent immediately in order to arrange the shipment overseas. The vendor does so, and the shipping agent (another scammer) asks for their fee up front. They usually ask for the fee to be sent via Western Union to enable them to collect it immediately. As the scammer’s cheque or bank draft has been cleared by the bank as soon as it was paid in, the vendor agrees to this, and sends the shipping agent their money.

The vendor is usually then contacted by the scammer, who asks the vendor to send the rest of the money back as he no longer wants to purchase the item. There is usually a hard-luck story attached: one common story is that the scammer’s son or daughter has been involved in an accident or is seriously ill, and the scammer needs the money to pay for their hospital treatment. If the vendor agrees, they transfer the rest of the money back to the scammer, again probably via Western Union.

At this point, the vendor is unaware that they have been scammed. They remain unaware of this until the scammer’s cheque or bank draft completes the bank clearing process – which can take days or even weeks – and the bank finally finds out that it is a forgery.

Scam 2 – “I’ve sent you too much money…”

Another one works when the person who has agreed to buy your goods says a mistake has been made and instead of (for example) £100 the cheque has been made out for £1,000 and would you cash the cheque and send back the difference.

The cheque will clear into your bank, only to be stopped/refused weeks later. At this point, the Banks/Building Societies will take the full cheque amount back out of your account. Not only will you have lost the goods, you will be out of pocket for the amount of their original cheque (£1,000) and the amount you passed on as the difference (£900).

Scam 3 – “Someone owes me money…”

This one works when you are contacted by someone offering to pay for your item in full. They will say that they are living in a different country but that someone in England owes them money. They will offer to send you a cheque for far more money than the actual price and then ask you to send the difference with the goods.

Again, the cheque will clear into your bank, only to be stopped/refused weeks later. At this point, the Banks/Building Societies will take the full cheque amount back out of your account leaving you out of pocket amount of their original cheque, the amount you passed on as the difference and any goods you have shipped.

In summary…

In all of these cases (and there are many more), at this point, the vendor is unaware that they have been scammed. They remain unaware of this until the scammer’s cheque or bank draft completes the bank clearing process – which can take days or even weeks – and the bank finally finds out that it is a forgery.

You should, therefore, be extremely suspicious if:

  • Someone responds to a classified advertisement you have placed and wants you to ship the item abroad, without even having seen the item. gunstar is a UK based Classified Advertising service bringing buyers and sellers in the UK together. We therefore recommend caution when dealing with anyone based outside the UK.
  • They offer to pay you the amount of the item, plus the shipping costs, and ask you to arrange the shipping and pay the shipping agent yourself.
  • DO NOT be reassured if you receive a cheque or a banker’s draft and your bank clears it as soon as you pay it into your account; it may still be a forgery, and if so, you will lose out.
  • Someone sends you a cheque or bankers draft for your goods, then asks you to return the money to them for whatever reason, via an instant cash transfer service such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Cash transfers made using these services are instant, meaning that the scammer can get his hands on your money well before you find out that the cheque you received is forged.

What to do

Unfortunately, gunstar cannot intercede on your behalf as the transaction is between the buyer (scammer) and the seller (you). However, if this does happen to you, contact your local police and Trading Standards Officer who may be able to assist.

Finally, if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is!